It sounds like an ethics question: if a handheld maker doesn't have an operating system, can it truly create products? The quick answer would be "no", but we'll have to see what palm comes up with in the near future. They haven't had any new devices in a while, but Fall is one key time they usually introduce new devices. We'll see what happens then, if anything. We may be witnessing the final stages of the death of this entity, which would really tick me off since then I'd have to go full-tilt into Windows mobile. Bah.